Kickstarter Loot: DreadBall Striker – Unboxing

Unboxing DreadBallMy DreadBall Kickstarter loot finally arrived. Stores had the game for a week or so already, which I find strange. Nevertheless, I had fun diving into the box (no shrink-wrap to tear with Mantic though). Since I went for a “Striker pledge” during the DreadBall Kickstarter, I have many additional new toys. This “unboxing” is not representative a DreadBall box buy straight from the shelf!!

#1 – Opening the DreadBall Box

My DreadBall is here. It’s a big box, filled with miniatures, tokens and gaming goodness.

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Unboxing Mantic Games’ DreadBall

There is, of course, the gaming board. It is surprisingly large. Lots of dice, tokens, cards and.. of course.. several bags full of DreadBall miniatures. One of the main selling points of DreadBall, for me, is the tongue-in-cheek style and tone of it. The sculpts for the DreadBall miniatures reflect that. They are fun and full of character. Unpacking them, I find myself liking nearly every one of them.

Usually I not a fan of Orcs (and GW’s attempt at “funny” with them always seems to miss), I find myself being quite a fan of DreadBall’s Marauders. The Ref is also great!

Mantic Games DreadBall Miniatures

Miniatures for DreadBall

The main criticism, which was clear from the start, are the tiny bases. They work for some sculpts (e.g. the Ref), but many will fall over a lot. Mantic Games shipped a lot of those clear, extra hex bases. They also come with most DreadBall products in the shop. In my opinion, they are likely near-mandatory to play the game without the constant annoyance of miniatures falling over (which represents prone players in the game).

Unboxing Mantic Games' DreadBall

DreadBall Tokens and Bases

The clear acrylic counters are – I believe a Kickstarter-only-bonus. To be honest, I am not impressed. They are hard to read and even harder to tell apart. These very much feel like a “Kickstarter-addition” for the sake of doing one. Or maybe they are left-over materials from Manic’s acrylic deluxe DreadBall pitch that were put to some use.

The standard tokens are – visually – a lot better. However, as they are plain, untreated card-board, I would imagine they will quickly show wear and tear from gaming. With a 3/4 of a Million US$ Kickstarter behind them, Mantic could’ve found a better solution here.

As noted above, the clear hex bases are ace (and likely soon a “standard” for DreadBall).

#2 – Mantic Miniatures vs. Games Workshop Miniatures

This is my first time holding a Mantic Games miniature, so excuse me for making some (indubitably flawed) comparisons to the Games Workshop miniatures I know best.

Games Workshop miniatures vs. Mantic Miniatures

Dark Vengeance Chaos Space Marines vs. DreadBall’s “Lucky” Logan

The first reaction – like many people holding a Mantic miniature for the first time – is how small they are. Human miniatures from Mantic stand only a little over half as tall as a regular Warhammer 40.000 Space Marine miniature.

Mantic’s DreadBall miniatures are plastic, though it is a softer, slightly more rubber-like material than the one used by Games Workshop (though certainly nothing like the flexible “Bones”). While Mantic’s sculpts are fun (see above), their material doesn’t seem to hold sharp detail nearly as well as Games Workshop’s plastic does.

Now. I promised I would make an inappropriate comparison. Before I make it, let me first say I am quite psyched at my DreadBall loot. My deal is also sweeter thanks to all the Kickstarter bonuses and an exclusive Z’zor resin miniature on its way.

Ok. The flawed comparison: Dark Vengeance vs. DreadBall – two boxes of miniatures.

  • Dark Vengeance currently goes for £61.50 without discounts. It will give you 48 Games Workshop plastic miniatures, including things like Ravenwing Bikers and the Chaos Space Marines Helbrute.
  • DreadBall goes for £49.99 without discounts. It will give you 21 Mantic Games plastic miniatures, consisting of only a handful of different sculpts. And as illustrated above, they are much smaller, softer and less detailed than their GW counterparts.

The comparison is imperfect, because you also get a very nice (and it is nice) DreadBall pitch to play on, lots of cards, tokens, etc.. . DreadBall is a board game, Dark Vengeance a starter set for the most renowned tabletop sci-fi skirmish game around. Still…

Kickstarter DreadBall Cards & Dice

DreadBall Card’s & Dice

DreadBall is clearly a box you should only consider if you really want to play the game. It looks like a fun game! But DreadBall should not be on your list for the miniatures. They are – much more so than Games Workshop miniatures – game pieces, rather than hobby products, and – in my humble opinion – very, very expensive for what you get.

#3 – DreadBall Kickstarter Bonuses

With the “Striker” pledge from Kickstarter, I didn’t just get the DreadBall game, but the whole Kickstarter lot. This includes, in addition to the Human and Ork/Goblin team, the Veer-Myn and Forge Father teams from DreadBall’s Season 1. It also includes the eight currently produced MVPs (and a free Coach? A miniature I was surprised to see).

DreadBall Most Valuable Player

Six of DreadBall’s Most Valuable Player Miniatures

If I am critical above for Mantic’s miniature value-for-the-money in the box, one think I really like about Mantic games is their effort to get organized play for their games of the ground. The recently announced Kings of War tournaments in the UK and the US with meaty prizes. For DreadBall, the Striker pledge also comes with a ticket to one of Mantic’s DreadBall events in 2013. Signed by hand, which is a nice touch. Looking forward to this.

Mantic Games DreadBall Unboxing

DreadBall “Season 2013″ Kickstarter Ticket

 #4 – Final Thoughts

My initial thoughts after rummaging through the box for an evening are more or less this.

Pros

  • Lots and lots of miniatures (this being “Striker”, not just the basic DreadBall game).
  • Lovely sculpts that greatly convey the theme of DreadBall
  • Great, high-quality gaming board (i.e. the DreadBall pitch)
  • Official tournament and organized play support
  • The rulebook is also ace (I’ll look at it in detail in another post)

 Cons

  • Game cards and token don’t seem designed for heavy gaming
  • Some useless Kickstarter swag (e.g. acrylic tokens)
  • Number and quality of the miniatures in the “non-kickstarter” DreadBall (even for a board game) does not live up to the price tag

Did you get DreadBall from the Kickstarter campaign? What are your thoughts?

Are you interested in getting DreadBall now that it is released?

Your take on my unboxing?

Leave a comment!

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  • Zaphod Beeblebrox

    Awesome writeup, like always!

    Hm… I have to say that I was tempted by the Kickstarter and did not end up buying it. After reading your review, I have to say that I am glad I didn’t. The miniatures do not really convince me.

    Now the one thing I dont know is – how does it play. A great gameplay makes up for some cons… I think pricing it at 39.99 would have been more apropriate, though.

    • http://pinsofwar.net/ Zweischneid

      Well. I am going to give it some playing after Christmas. As I am with the family now, not at home, I don’t have my hobby stuff with me.

      Yeah, for a company that specializes in making “affordable” knock-offs of GW, it’s very pricey.

      In that sense, DreadBall was the perfect “test” for me because I have a self-contained game with just about everything I’d ever need to play. But I think I’d rather stay away from their full-blown Wargames now.

  • kilcin

    I only wanted to comment on this after I got a game in, which I finally did the other night. Going just to do a few point comments instead of a long winded reply. I’m not a Mantic fan and the only reason I got into Dreadball is because of the Nameless team. Until then I had very little interest even though I’m a major Blood Bowl fan.

    1) Level of Detail: Better then GW’s old plastics but not as good as their current plastics, about what I was expecting honestly. Better then the level of detail in the two teams that come in the Blood Bowl box.

    2) Unfair Comparison: I think comparing the Dreadball box to the Dark Vengeance box is a great disservice because DV is meant to be a lead in for new players and GW has shown the past few years that these types of boxes (AoBR, BoM) are the best cost per miniature that they do. It feels like cherry picking honestly. If you compared it to their Blood Bowl box, which hasn’t been updated in ages, it’s DB at £49.99 vs BB at £51.25. Also the teams are cheaper per model then the BB teams.

    3) Cons: You know that the “useless Kickstarter swag” like the acrylic tokens fixes/covers the previous con of “tokens don’t seem designed for heavy gaming”? I agree that the tokens in the box wouldn’t last long, but the acrylic tokens that replace those tokens will.

    In regards to the game itself: it’s faster and sleeker then Blood Bowl with less of the randomness which a few of my friends that hate Blood Bowl will appreciate. One bad time with the kick-off table… Two of my friends wanted to buy teams for it after watching me play my first game.

    I agree with you on Mantic in other areas though (lazy sculpts), am not a big fan of them, but I don’t think you did yourself justice with this review. So much for not being long winded…

    • http://pinsofwar.net/ Zweischneid

      Well, I didn’t say anything about the game-play yet. And this isn’t a review, merely an “unboxing”.

      I find it surprising that you think Dark Vengeance is a cherry-picked comparison, or that Games Workshop offers is a loss-leader (and if it is, so is DreadBall for .. well .. DreadBall).

      Frankly, I picked Dark Vengeance because it is (like all GW stuff) usually considered very expensive (!) for what you get.

      Had I chosen to compare DreadBall with other recent GBP 50,- boxed/board games, the comparison would’ve been far, far worse.

      Examples:

      - Zombicide retails at GBP 60, – with over 70 miniatures in the retail version

      - Super Dungeon Explore with 60 miniatures and a much more elaborate game-board

      - Even Mantic’s own Project Pandora retails with the same amount of contents as DreadBall for a full 15 quid less!

      Dark Vengeance is not a “cherry-picked” comparison. It was chosen as a well-known and known-to-be-expensive comparison.

      Had I cherry-picked, I could’ve slammed DreadBall a lot worse (which wasn’t and isn’t my intention).

      • kilcin

        I’m aware it was just an “unboxing” but I wanted to add instead of just take away from the article. The reason why I wanted to wait till after I got a game is because then I would actually have the time to look at tokens rules and such. I split the Striker with a friend and I got a couple of teams while he got the box and everything included within. So the game was my first chance to actually see everything.

        I wouldn’t say Dark Vengeance is a ‘loss leader’ but it is actually cheaper per model then the average of everything else GW sells. Whenever anyone asks the best/cheapest way to start a SM army, people always suggest AoBR or BoM; if doing Orks people would get AoBR and if ‘Nids BoM. DV is that box now as a cheap way to build up an army for Chaos of Dark Angels. Dreadball wouldn’t be a loss leader for Dreadball because it’s a self contained game. What would they be encouraging people to buy? More teams? You don’t need the number of models for Dreadball teams like you would for 40k armies to get to the average game size.

        Personally, I would of rather a comparison to other boxed/board games since that would at least be in the same category. I would especially find a comparison to Project Pandora interesting, or Zombicide even; because one is from the same company and the other a kickstarter just like Dreadball, respectively. I just feel that the comparison should of been for a similar product.

        Also I would like to apologize if you felt my response is overly critical/harshly worded; you have earned my respect from your posts on Dakka and I’m not dedicating the time to reread why I write to possibly word things better.

        • http://pinsofwar.net/ Zweischneid

          Nah. it is fine.

          It is always a difficult thing to be critical in public.

          I tried to write in the “pros” as well as the “cons”. However, I just “felt” that DreadBall was offering “little” for the retail price it asks (Kickstarter-version is much better, obviously).

          Then, to express that “feeling”, i went for the comparison that came to me intuitively.

          I think I pointed out several times that it is an imperfect comparison. By the very nature of an unfavorable comparison, those who disagree will try to fault it. I am sure there would be ways to nit-pick comparisons with Pandora or Zombicide too.

          At the end of the day, I don’t own either Pandora or Zombicide. I do own Dark Vengeance. So that is the comparison I made.

          It’s not scientifically “rigorous”, nor does it claim to be. It’s just the comparison I made – and reflected on here – when I ran through the unboxing.